one of the studies I was able to do very easily with reader.quranite.com was when I was interested in all the places where Muhammad is told to say a specific thing in dialogue with people. As you consistently translate qul as "say thou:", one can bring up a list of all these passages in a moment.
Do you think the plea to leave the UK from people like Peter Hitchens and even yourself long ago for anyone able to do still holds today? I know part of the technique is that it enevitabley conqueres the world but surely it couldn't be worse than the gender tyranny going on over here!
I can't speak to what Peter Hitchens said, as I did not read it. My view is, ultimately, that the whole world is being formed into a single "faith" and "practice" (see my videos on Jacques Ellul).
At present we have the emergence of the so-called multipolar world, which is, in my view, simply recognition of the fact that it does not matter which part of the world plantation is in control of the process of implementation of tyranny, the outcome will be the same: materialism, humanism, "progress", mechanical universe.
As I keep saying, everywhere is now the "West".
Of course there are places which are less bad (or further back on the convey belt, as I often put it), such as Russia and some of the so-called third-world countries. But the direction is always the same. And it can't be anything other than what it is. So I certainly do not subscribe to the notion that "when enough people wake up" things will change, or any such nonsense.
Democracy ensures mediocrity, as a system of power it is simply the powerful leveraging the intelligent to manipulate the stupid.
I recommend the following books:
Jacques Ellul:
1. The Technological Society
2. Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes
René Guénon:
The Crisis of the Modern World
The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times
Julius Evola
1. Men Among the Ruins
2. Ride the Tiger
Ted Kaczynski:
1. Technological Slavery
2. Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How
PS I don't agree with Kaczynski's solution but he is worth reading for context.
Thanks for the recommendations, I really appreciate it! I recently read Ted Kaczynski's "Industrial Soceity and it's Future" and it really opened my mind and helped me made sense of the insanity around me (leftism)... Ted was a hero in a way, and tried to gather the wood for a greater movement to spark and destroy this system... I think his weakspot was that he wasn't grounded on a clear, pure scripture to ground him and guide him through the 'purpose' he was so despratley seeking. Even though Ted was profoundly thoughtful, his lack of spiritual understanding of the age we're living in, led him into the trap of 'when enough people wake up' and so he took drastic measures, some even morally recoprensible because he believed that such 'wrong' actions we're required for the greater good.. God have mercy on His soul and forgive Him of his transgresses and us also, and may He grant us grace and bring about righteousness from our affairs, amen.
Another way to consider the cosmic "justness" of eternal hell is Anatta. If the self is not of the Real, and only His Face persists, then Eternity may be Eternity but our place in it is not as we likely imagine.
Robert DeNiro's character dies/meets his reckoning at the end of Heat every time someone rewatches it, but that doesn't affect Robert DeNiro.
All the while your comment is quite beautiful and deeply thought provoking and I feel we will always remain in a state of curiosity and going to and fro about what hell could mean. Thank you Yusuf
For many belief in Hell has been a mind twister. But I find myself having to give in to the face value meaning of the text that it is a fire and that it is forever. I cannot comprehend it and I have to override my mind particularly on this subject area. I submit, God is infinitely knowing.
I believe that is the heart of prudent fear. While we have personal focus, it is best to interpret Gehenna personally.
In the same way that Janna is "the Garden" and does not bias Heaven or Earth, I wonder if Gehenna has also not been "Orientalism-ised", for hell is also Tartarus, but the Qur'anic Fire mentions no underground imagery IFAIK.
Imagery. That word sits really well. I've heard mufti Abu layth also mention the word imagery when he talks about heaven and hell. For example I heard that river has been well understood to mean civilization, life, prosperity, continuation, abundance etc etc. Thank you again 🙏😌
The river that flows underneath is clearly something important. An unbroken chain of transmission, whether city based or not city based. The garden at the outskirts, like Gethsemane, where the nomads and the sedentary meet and trade, and prejudicially malign each other's ways the least.
Also to note, that to the Greeks but not as much the Christians, hell was a necessary place to go for self knowledge and wisdom. Many initiation and mystery school rites involved that descent. By disambiguating Gehenna from hell, we may be able to reown that perspective.
All the while your comment is quite beautiful and deeply thought provoking and I feel we will always remain in a state of curiosity and going to and fro about what hell could mean. Thank you Yusuf
one of the studies I was able to do very easily with reader.quranite.com was when I was interested in all the places where Muhammad is told to say a specific thing in dialogue with people. As you consistently translate qul as "say thou:", one can bring up a list of all these passages in a moment.
Do you think the plea to leave the UK from people like Peter Hitchens and even yourself long ago for anyone able to do still holds today? I know part of the technique is that it enevitabley conqueres the world but surely it couldn't be worse than the gender tyranny going on over here!
I can't speak to what Peter Hitchens said, as I did not read it. My view is, ultimately, that the whole world is being formed into a single "faith" and "practice" (see my videos on Jacques Ellul).
At present we have the emergence of the so-called multipolar world, which is, in my view, simply recognition of the fact that it does not matter which part of the world plantation is in control of the process of implementation of tyranny, the outcome will be the same: materialism, humanism, "progress", mechanical universe.
As I keep saying, everywhere is now the "West".
Of course there are places which are less bad (or further back on the convey belt, as I often put it), such as Russia and some of the so-called third-world countries. But the direction is always the same. And it can't be anything other than what it is. So I certainly do not subscribe to the notion that "when enough people wake up" things will change, or any such nonsense.
Democracy ensures mediocrity, as a system of power it is simply the powerful leveraging the intelligent to manipulate the stupid.
I recommend the following books:
Jacques Ellul:
1. The Technological Society
2. Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes
René Guénon:
The Crisis of the Modern World
The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times
Julius Evola
1. Men Among the Ruins
2. Ride the Tiger
Ted Kaczynski:
1. Technological Slavery
2. Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How
PS I don't agree with Kaczynski's solution but he is worth reading for context.
Peace,
Sam Gerrans
Thanks for the recommendations, I really appreciate it! I recently read Ted Kaczynski's "Industrial Soceity and it's Future" and it really opened my mind and helped me made sense of the insanity around me (leftism)... Ted was a hero in a way, and tried to gather the wood for a greater movement to spark and destroy this system... I think his weakspot was that he wasn't grounded on a clear, pure scripture to ground him and guide him through the 'purpose' he was so despratley seeking. Even though Ted was profoundly thoughtful, his lack of spiritual understanding of the age we're living in, led him into the trap of 'when enough people wake up' and so he took drastic measures, some even morally recoprensible because he believed that such 'wrong' actions we're required for the greater good.. God have mercy on His soul and forgive Him of his transgresses and us also, and may He grant us grace and bring about righteousness from our affairs, amen.
Peace.
Another way to consider the cosmic "justness" of eternal hell is Anatta. If the self is not of the Real, and only His Face persists, then Eternity may be Eternity but our place in it is not as we likely imagine.
Robert DeNiro's character dies/meets his reckoning at the end of Heat every time someone rewatches it, but that doesn't affect Robert DeNiro.
I must add, a little thought experiment that I just did - if I was playing God, I would also write the same verses about Hell as God has. Lol 🤷😀
All the while your comment is quite beautiful and deeply thought provoking and I feel we will always remain in a state of curiosity and going to and fro about what hell could mean. Thank you Yusuf
For many belief in Hell has been a mind twister. But I find myself having to give in to the face value meaning of the text that it is a fire and that it is forever. I cannot comprehend it and I have to override my mind particularly on this subject area. I submit, God is infinitely knowing.
I believe that is the heart of prudent fear. While we have personal focus, it is best to interpret Gehenna personally.
In the same way that Janna is "the Garden" and does not bias Heaven or Earth, I wonder if Gehenna has also not been "Orientalism-ised", for hell is also Tartarus, but the Qur'anic Fire mentions no underground imagery IFAIK.
Imagery. That word sits really well. I've heard mufti Abu layth also mention the word imagery when he talks about heaven and hell. For example I heard that river has been well understood to mean civilization, life, prosperity, continuation, abundance etc etc. Thank you again 🙏😌
The river that flows underneath is clearly something important. An unbroken chain of transmission, whether city based or not city based. The garden at the outskirts, like Gethsemane, where the nomads and the sedentary meet and trade, and prejudicially malign each other's ways the least.
Also to note, that to the Greeks but not as much the Christians, hell was a necessary place to go for self knowledge and wisdom. Many initiation and mystery school rites involved that descent. By disambiguating Gehenna from hell, we may be able to reown that perspective.
All the while your comment is quite beautiful and deeply thought provoking and I feel we will always remain in a state of curiosity and going to and fro about what hell could mean. Thank you Yusuf